I certainly wouldn't rely on it for back up proving Linda to be dodgy. The next night, she again drove the family including the previous night members as well as Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to the house of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, rich owners of a grocery store chain. The couple divorced and she married again to Robert Kasabian. ?I think Linda is one person people on both sides can agree was no good personally. It means nothing moreExcept that his 'opinion' was that of the prosecutor that went towards the securing of the conviction. And perhaps whatever incident was going down with each of them at that moment, it took precedence over Sharon. 'Best at the backhand slash' might not have sold well to the jury. Her testimony eventually led to the convictions of Manson, Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten. During his closing argument he actually tells the jury; "now, I am not saying, ladies and gentlemen, that Linda Kasabian deserves any medal, any award from the Kiwanis Club or anything like that; all I am saying is that there is a distinct possibility that she saved the life of a human being on the night of the LaBianca murders, and this act by Linda in deliberately knocking on the wrong door shows, along with all the other evidence in this case about her, that although she is not an angel~and we have never said she was; and she would be the first one to admit that she is not an angelYes, he distinguishes her essential character from those that killed, but he does the same thing with TJ, Paul Watkins and Brooks Poston.He also did point out about Sadie that he felt sorry for her and that he felt she had more remorse than the others. Scared she wanted to drive away, but could not as her child was at the Spahn Ranch. But NOW, "drunkenness" is considered to be the by-product of a DISEASE. At the front door, she ran into a stabbed and beaten Wojciech Frykowski. Afterwhich, Manson dropped Linda, Sadie, and Clem off at a Venice Beach apartment complex. Because the media and Bernie told me so. Manson Mythos saidThe recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure CoincidenceOf course it can !In a city where different Family members had various dealings, if some of those places were near each other, what is unusual about that ? Their involvement in the murders was soon discovered. Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible war (murder). After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. It's not a fair or valuable trait to have.we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness standThat makes good sense and allows for nuances. Manson Mythos saidThere is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. Maybe some of you can pound beers everyday and do your bowls and never have a bad thought. What appeared peaceful at first to Linda Kasabian turned violent. Prosecution ? Granted, Dean Moorehouse was the kind of Dad that I'd like to jail for a very long time, notwithstanding acid blitzing his being, but it would appear that Ruth had some things going on within her that weren't vastly different to Linda. We do not know why any of them were picked. Her parents separated while she was still young with Rosaire remarrying and moving to Miami, Florida. Just the ones with that certain type of character. Maybe you should judge what you think based on your own heart and not others. I don't read her responding, "no, its ok I'll testify anyway". St Circumstance saidDoes it carry any weight that The Actual Killers say they went there to ignite H/S?? She was the chief witness at the prosecution of Manson and his followers for the Tate LaBianca murders. It doesn't really matter. But none of us can say what Tex's life might have been if he had stayed in Texas instead of going out to trippin Cal and soaked his brain in bella donna. She has been portrayed a number of times in films. There is some fiddling and fuddling around the issue, all three men clarify that it was to be so but none of them ever push Susan or Leslie on it because the 2nd death squad didn't actually do anything. I am unclear what you mean by the 'got in Parent's car' issue. You are correct. MM, Thank you on the PK- I didn't recall her saying it was but didn't know.I think you have to be a bit careful. Remember, Al Springer testified that he liked Tex most of all in the Family. And what that says to me is any answer that follows that last question is unreliable. She eventually turned herself in and agreed to become the lead witness for the prosecution in exchange for her own immunity. It must have taken a lot of time and effort to research and put this post together. And wherever she tripped up, she corrected herself somewhere later. It probably seems quite insensitive to say this, but lots of people have lost loved ones to murderous violence and in addition, Rosemary LaBianca's daughter Suzan at one point demonstrated that not only was it possible to get over it, but that forgiveness and it's aftermath were realistic propositions. Low level of intelligence: Blanket judging others as having a low level of intelligence because they don't agree with you on your low intellect, racist ideas.Manson Mythos, Obama is:Community organizerAttorneyConstitutional law professorState SenatorUS SenatorPOTUSNobel LaureateManson Mythos:Angry racist moron. Pat, in Guinn's book, presents herself as not wanting the murders to happen, going so far as to say that the following night at Waverley, before anthing happened with Rosemary, she prayed to God, asking him to make the murders stop and since she went ahead and exercised her own free will in participating in carnage and mutilation and God didn't strike her down and stop her, Leslie or Tex, she's not believed in God since that night.And she has a problem with Linda presenting herself as not being a willing participant.As a side issue, if Linda hadn't been at the car when they arrived at it after Cielo's action, would they have just driven off and left her ? It's been done about Tex, Larry Jones & Bill Vance in regards to Shorty. More weight does not necessarily make it right or definitive.That said, quoting various bods is more for the interest of seeing exactly what they did say about certain of the incidents/matters we're all discussing and sometimes providing illumination.If Watson is attacking Voytek..And Krenwinkel is chasing AbigailAnd then Sadie came running out of the house, Who was watching Sharon Tate?No one. I ended up running away at 18 and skipped the country. Was HE dropping Naplam on little girls running for cover down the road ?Linda K. is the perfect choise for examination IF you want to discover a more human side of the Manson Family Story. Dreath saidGrim, I have to disagree with you a bitOnly a bit ? Bugliosi said. Grim, Ok, but quoting Bugliosi is sort of like quoting one of us. That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. Bruce, Tex, Leslie, Susan, Pat, Clem and Bobby all in one way or another made something of their lives without imploding. MM said: About the license, it had to be expired.Good one. That's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from me. WELL, WELL, there it is folks - the PROOF - the spell of Charlie Manson's "hypnotic" POWER lasts FOREVER, or at least for a few years, depending upon how strongly you got zapped.Thanks Dreath,BTW: the Defense $$$ got had by Daye Shinn. It is an interesting piece especially given the Odyssey piece. Even if all the things said about her are true in terms of immunity and self interest, that doesn't change that. Low level of intelligence: Thinking a heavily funded (by much richer and evil "white men" than Trump) warmongering globalist who overthrows other country with aggressive "intervention" while hiding behind noble motives is a leftist savior. ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Human side? 'show the blacks how its done' + (3.) People V. Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, & Van Houten, Manson Life-Style Changes After Move From Death Row, Manson Follower Recalls His Life of Crime at Sanity Hearing, No 'Family' Exists, Media Created It Manson Testifies, 'You Better Pray I Never Get Out,' Manson Friend Tells Sanity Trial, 4 Manson Followers Convicted in Hawthorne Robbery-Shootout. I'm not saying the 'Linda kites in Charlie speak' didn't happen, just that I don't believe that had anything to do with Susan recanting. Then and there ? That's because sometimes, my thoughts on part of something that someone has said aren't formulated at the moment that I'm answering but other things that have been said have sparked off my train of thought or brought up an answer or a question.Other times, I'll need to do a bit of research so an answer won't be forthcoming straight away.Other times, just in general thought, I might have a sudden insight on something someone has said because I've been thinking about it; but that might be days later.I hope that's what you mean. Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter Skelter. Why not that? But this has always been subject to alteration, progression, sideways steps, change, being unwise, you know, life. DEBUNKING THE BUNK PART 1: A Look at Joel Rostau, Thoughts on the LaBiancas and the motive on August 10th, Benedict Canyon Acoustics and Bugliosi's Timeline, The Law: Conspiracy to Commit Murder, Felony Murder and One for the Colonel. var part1 = "gw"; Susan's deal was that nothing she said could be used against any of her co~defendants and there was no evidence that Linda had been along on either night.Atkins claimed that the prosecution steered her into recanting but it was she who kept insisting on seeing Charlie, after which, she recanted.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel? Which scares people in a society where every wants to blame a white man for personal or political gain. But..What I meant was that she said Tex told her to get Steven's wallet. But what happened before and after that. Linda Darlene Kasabian was born on June 21, 1949. lol your insight is interesting reading.. However, if there's one thing I've picked up from Helter Skeptics that I find really valuable, it's to approach this case from a number of different angles, especially angles that are not the standard ones we've been given. Charles Manson was in complete control of the ranch and its people and instructed everyone on what to do. He said something to the effect that Charlie had a very strong case and that there was pretty much no evidence against him. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get out. Many thanks to you, Dreath. 2. I am not convinced the motive as described by Bugliosi is 100% accurate. About the license, it had to be expired. On August 11, 1969, Manson instructed Linda to bring a message to the jailed Sandy Good, Mary Brunner, and Bobby Beausoleil. That said there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wants (and gets away with it). 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